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DJ7 wrote: SasuKe1 wrote: I just got one teeeeeny tiny issue with class D.... the top 3.... are all, You-Know-Whats.... Voldemorts se karre.....  Lol but making good power there damn... must have spent a fortune on those skank i mean skunk 2 racing parts. Next time i hope that the best 2.0 N/A motor of all time tops it, is nog XE  Gonna be very hard for a Opel to make more than a Honda, especially the K-series and F-series motors. They come out standard with way more KW than what we do. We make more torque, but they make more KW. For an Opel to come out tops, they either need to do what Mailman suggested. I"m not a huge fan of the Kw + Nm to declare the winners in the respective classes thing. TORQUE @ Dusk should have seen the Opels come out tops last year, as we went with highest Nm readings I must actually go have a look again at those results. but then again, I dont think many top N/A Opels were on the rollers.
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DJ7 wrote:
Gonna be very hard for a Opel to make more than a Honda, especially the K-series and F-series motors. They come out standard with way more KW than what we do. We make more torque, but they make more KW. For an Opel to come out tops, they either need to do what Mailman suggested.
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SasuKe1 wrote: DJ7 wrote:
Gonna be very hard for a Opel to make more than a Honda, especially the K-series and F-series motors. They come out standard with way more KW than what we do. We make more torque, but they make more KW. For an Opel to come out tops, they either need to do what Mailman suggested.
Which is what? what I said in my above post...you take the Kw & Nm & add it up & get the average & the winners are decided like that
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That actually makes a hell of alota sense
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What did that honda vreet that placed 3rd in the 1600 B class coz his torque reading is very high compared to the other vtecs
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SasuKe1 wrote: That actually makes a hell of alota sense Highest Kw's makes sense. Highest Nm's makes sense. Average between the 2 also makes sense, but is not necessarily the best option to apply for a dyno day. I've seen more people complain when this way is used to determine the highest to lowest readings.
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It's true what Lu says, I was at that particular dyno when average was used and people did complain. I guess, we must start having 2 dyno days a year, 1 for kw and 1 for nm. 
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Posted: 10 May 2011, 11:32 |
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Don't worry when my N/A car is done honda will be far behind on dyno days
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Pantera wrote: Don't worry when my N/A car is done honda will be far behind on dyno days   _________________ ________________________________ Current: '97 Astra 180iE EX: '95 Kadett 200is
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DJ7 wrote: SasuKe1 wrote: I just got one teeeeeny tiny issue with class D.... the top 3.... are all, You-Know-Whats.... Voldemorts se karre..... Lol but making good power there damn... must have spent a fortune on those skank i mean skunk 2 racing parts. Next time i hope that the best 2.0 N/A motor of all time tops it, is nog XE Gonna be very hard for a Opel to make more than a Honda, especially the K-series and F-series motors. They come out standard with way more KW than what we do. We make more torque, but they make more KW. For an Opel to come out tops, they either need to do what Mailman suggested. Lol don't be so negative man, that guy with the white on white type R spent what, like 250k in total on his car sieka... No way mailman spent near that, plus i know there's still some kw's to be had out of that motor. (177kw i heard last time) but even more. Ja honda's come superior out of the factory and jeez im sick of hearing it. But when u bring up turbo's the convo ends... Is mos Spoons en Forks. Yes its way more efficient to used forced induction and there comes a point when tuning a small capacity N/A motor becomes redundant but if an Opel can beat a honda (the so called N/A kings) in its class then nothing will make me happier.  Why must they be so arrogant man? Not all, but most. On another note... Nissan took their technology and bettered it. VVL kicks in hard! _________________ ________________________________ Current: '97 Astra 180iE EX: '95 Kadett 200is
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SasuKe1 wrote: DJ7 wrote: SasuKe1 wrote: I just got one teeeeeny tiny issue with class D.... the top 3.... are all, You-Know-Whats.... Voldemorts se karre..... Lol but making good power there damn... must have spent a fortune on those skank i mean skunk 2 racing parts. Next time i hope that the best 2.0 N/A motor of all time tops it, is nog XE Gonna be very hard for a Opel to make more than a Honda, especially the K-series and F-series motors. They come out standard with way more KW than what we do. We make more torque, but they make more KW. For an Opel to come out tops, they either need to do what Mailman suggested. Lol don't be so negative man, that guy with the white on white type R spent what, like 250k in total on his car sieka... No way mailman spent near that, plus i know there's still some kw's to be had out of that motor. (177kw i heard last time) but even more. Ja honda's come superior out of the factory and jeez im sick of hearing it. But when u bring up turbo's the convo ends... Is mos Spoons en Forks. Yes its way more efficient to used forced induction and there comes a point when tuning a small capacity N/A motor becomes redundant but if an Opel can beat a honda (the so called N/A kings) in its class then nothing will make me happier. Why must they be so arrogant man? Not all, but most. On another note... Nissan took their technology and bettered it. VVL kicks in hard! That guy with the white Type-R aka Renze I actually know and yes, he did spend abit, but nowhere in the region of the figures you quoting. And parts for his motor cost considerably more than XE parts, so you cannot make a comparison like that. VVL is not Nissan taking Honda's technology, it is actually not the same, read up on it abit on wikipedia and you will see. Renze is actually not a brekgat or anything like that, and I can tell you he does spend on his car, but he isn't boastful. I do enjoy debates, but why is it people start a debate not really having all their ducks in a row?
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Posted: 10 May 2011, 13:17 |
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crispy boss wrote: speculation sucks. 
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Okay okay... thought we all love opel here. I just dislike most hondas and their drivers. Thats just me. And these are just my opinions man i'm not debating anyone, debates are based on facts. And i don't have the facts, ur right about that. Yes and vvl, vtec, vvti ect. not the same but similar. And yes, nissans is better in my opinion. Lol i did not want to get technical, and i did not want to argue, otherwise i would've posted this on the honda boyz forum, i also did not say anything about the driver of that car...Because he did look quite laid back actually. I just disagree with the way he spent his money. But again, thats just me. I see u owned a honda in the past? LOL just kidding man. I get what you are saying... _________________ ________________________________ Current: '97 Astra 180iE EX: '95 Kadett 200is
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Posted: 10 May 2011, 13:25 |
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LOL the car costs around 250k does it not? and thats excluding the mods...
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SasuKe1 wrote: Okay okay... thought we all love opel here. I just dislike most hondas and their drivers. Thats just me. And these are just my opinions man i'm not debating anyone, debates are based on facts. And i don't have the facts, ur right about that. Yes and vvl, vtec, vvti ect. not the same but similar. And yes, nissans is better in my opinion. Lol i did not want to get technical, and i did not want to argue, otherwise i would've posted this on the honda boyz forum, i also did not say anything about the driver of that car...Because he did look quite laid back actually. I just disagree with the way he spent his money. But again, thats just me. I see u owned a honda in the past? LOL just kidding man. I get what you are saying... I do love Opel, but you can ask many people here that know me, there are afew cars from other brands I have openly admitted that I would buy. Actually the way VVL, vtec, vvt, vvt-li work are not the same, but ja. When you say Nissan's is better in your opinion on what is it based? Because the k20 and f20c are very good motors, actually the f20c is the most powerful 2l motor from the factory. I am just impartial, yes, I will always love Opel, but I will respect what other manufacturers have to offer as well. Disagree with how he spent his money? Why? Because it cost more? It is his choice and he had/has the money to do it, so why would you disagree with his choice? Because he spent it on a Honda and not a Opel? Yeah, I owned a Honda, was an interim thing, nice car though and I have grown up with Honda's, my parents have owned from the box shape honda all the way up to the EP3 shape. Honda was the first car I started to work on. Just something I have come across, yes, there are alot of Honda guys with bad attitudes, but I have seen the same thing from other brands as well. Log onto the NOC forum and see the ego's the VVL people have.
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SasuKe1 wrote: LOL the car costs around 250k does it not? and thats excluding the mods... You can't include the price of the car into what was spent on the car.
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 Lol. wouldn't u have bought an OPC with that money?  _________________ ________________________________ Current: '97 Astra 180iE EX: '95 Kadett 200is
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DJ7 wrote: SasuKe1 wrote: LOL the car costs around 250k does it not? and thats excluding the mods... You can't include the price of the car into what was spent on the car. But this is what i meant  _________________ ________________________________ Current: '97 Astra 180iE EX: '95 Kadett 200is
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SasuKe1 wrote: :peace: Lol. wouldn't u have bought an OPC with that money? I am personally not 1 for later model cars. So I would have bought a Coupe turbo/ or a Astra TS and a Corsa C ute and a bike and invested the change.
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