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 Posted: 17 Oct 2012, 10:27 |
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cub-zn wrote: GUMPTION wrote: Corsa Addict wrote: Priced quite well Still ugly though Quote: Ford’s 184kW Focus ST in SA! Quote: The new Ecoboost engine combines direct injection with turbo charging and sees Ford downsizing from the previous models growling five-cylinder 2.5-litre. According to the automaker this translates to better economy, performance and reduced production costs.
I thinks statement! Only thing the smaller motor would result in is reduced production cost and economy! How would it make it improve performance? Lol a more efficient engine will produce more power stock for stock, the new 4 cyl ST makes more power than the old 5cyl ST Some unconfirmed local dyno results show the new ST making 180ish WKW 
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012, 10:48 |
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I agree but my point is if the same tech was to go into the "old" 5 cyl setup it would have a much better outcome performance wise and I'm not sure how the fuel economy would be but ja... Just because its new doesnt also mean it's better. Right now decisions are based mostly on production cost and maximising profits.
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Posted: 17 Oct 2012, 11:23 |
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GUMPTION wrote: I agree but my point is if the same tech was to go into the "old" 5 cyl setup it would have a much better outcome performance wise and I'm not sure how the fuel economy would be but ja... Just because its new doesnt also mean it's better. Right now decisions are based mostly on production cost and maximising profits. The 5 cyl had its fair share of drawbacks. Technology moves on. Why wouldnt they move to the tried and tested 4cyl turbo option if its a) cheaper to make, b)makes more power, c)lighter and more efficient As it stands right now, the newer motor is better than the older motor. Lots of criticism was leveled at the older 5 cyl for being too heavy (thus making the car nose heavy), not fuel efficient enough compared to its 4cyl turbo competitors, and lets not forget the numerous boost leak and heat soak issues... It sounded great tho, and in RS form is hard to beat... Its the same as how most manufactures moved from N/A motors to Turbo Motors. They got better power, torque, economy,reliability (debatable) etc etc
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cub-zn wrote: GUMPTION wrote: I agree but my point is if the same tech was to go into the "old" 5 cyl setup it would have a much better outcome performance wise and I'm not sure how the fuel economy would be but ja... Just because its new doesnt also mean it's better. Right now decisions are based mostly on production cost and maximising profits. The 5 cyl had its fair share of drawbacks. Technology moves on. Why wouldnt they move to the tried and tested 4cyl turbo option if its a) cheaper to make, b)makes more power, c)lighter and more efficient As it stands right now, the newer motor is better than the older motor. Lots of criticism was leveled at the older 5 cyl for being too heavy (thus making the car nose heavy), not fuel efficient enough compared to its 4cyl turbo competitors, and lets not forget the numerous boost leak and heat soak issues... It sounded great tho, and in RS form is hard to beat... Its the same as how most manufactures moved from N/A motors to Turbo Motors. They got better power, torque, economy,reliability (debatable) etc etc 5 cylinder was good but outdated and expensive now. The 2liter engine is Fords own engine designed and built by Ford. Volvo in Sweden designed and developed the 5cyliner engine even before Ford took them over. Ford bought the company $6.5Billion in ’99 and 2010 sold Volvo for $1.8 Billion to Geely.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2012, 05:57 |
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I see the Focus ST has already been dyno'd at more than 184kw. Ford pulling a VW on us like they did with the GTI.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2012, 06:08 |
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Yep! Quite smart smart because it puts them in a lower insurance bracket
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One made 200kw at Dynotech the other day, bone stock. Click here for dyno sheet._________________  2013 Polo GTI ex: 2009 Fiesta ST190
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Posted: 07 Nov 2012, 07:25 |
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crispy boss wrote: Yep! Quite smart smart because it puts them in a lower insurance bracket I thought insurance brackets were dependent on engine capacity?
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Razortjie wrote: One made 200kw at Dynotech the other day, bone stock. Click here for dyno sheet.I heard so last night. A friend of mine from CSTOC told me so, Shamiel with the silver Focus ST. > Oh, I see on the dyno sheet its ST001.WP's new cab 
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Posted: 07 Nov 2012, 08:55 |
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400NM of torque, pull the sheet off my eyes. That is insane
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Posted: 07 Nov 2012, 10:14 |
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cub-zn wrote: crispy boss wrote: Yep! Quite smart smart because it puts them in a lower insurance bracket I thought insurance brackets were dependent on engine capacity? not anymore bru. according to my last insurance, its power to weight.
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Posted: 07 Nov 2012, 12:59 |
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200kw that’s impressive. The Golf R did the same right. I’m speaking under correction, but on that basis it looks like 2L turbo cars at the coast produce 8 -9 % more power than factory figures/claims.
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crispy boss wrote: cub-zn wrote: crispy boss wrote: Yep! Quite smart smart because it puts them in a lower insurance bracket I thought insurance brackets were dependent on engine capacity? not anymore bru. according to my last insurance, its power to weight. Who you insured with? think i need to speak to my insurance and ask them whats klapping with my premiums
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Posted: 07 Nov 2012, 13:20 |
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I wonder what the stock OPC J will then push out at Dynotech 
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Posted: 07 Nov 2012, 13:22 |
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cub-zn wrote: crispy boss wrote: cub-zn wrote: crispy boss wrote: Yep! Quite smart smart because it puts them in a lower insurance bracket I thought insurance brackets were dependent on engine capacity? not anymore bru. according to my last insurance, its power to weight. Who you insured with? think i need to speak to my insurance and ask them whats klapping with my premiums Regent, through Mercedes
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Posted: 09 Nov 2012, 10:09 |
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So Fake_Tony went to test drive one last week ... immediately signed an offer to purchase  cancelled it when the post-ST-coitus afterglow wore off!! for the full spec option - ~R350k ... not bad compared to the other 2.0T's
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Posted: 09 Nov 2012, 10:40 |
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Yoh. Fake_tony seke wants a ranger, lol
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Posted: 09 Nov 2012, 10:47 |
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crispy boss wrote: Yoh. Fake_tony seke wants a ranger, lol he wants a bike ... he's a full member of LXG, but no bike 
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Posted: 09 Nov 2012, 11:03 |
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Klonkie wrote: crispy boss wrote: Yoh. Fake_tony seke wants a ranger, lol he wants a bike ... he's a full member of LXG, but no bike Yep yep... That sounda about right 
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Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 19:07 |
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CAR and Topcar tested the ST. Got it to 100kph in 6.5s and 6.8s respectively (CAR tests with a passenger and all equipment) and very good overtaking acceleration.
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